First in a series free form excercises on randomly chosen topics, to test the medium, answer questions, establish some background details, play with ideas, and provide an entry point for new audience members.

In our first segment, we discuss manifesting intent, the value of humilty, wanton lust, self destructing adepts, and the demiurgic imagination.

13 thoughts on “The Mosaic Effect, part 1 : the humble godlings

  1. manifesting intent, the value of humilty, wanton lust, self destructing adepts, and the demiurgic imagination

    I haven’t even listened to this yet, but the resonant psychic electronic retribalization factor has just shot through the roof, as the last 18 hours have been spent crafting something that manages to touch on everyone one of those issues (sleep is for losers). I suppose I can see why they want to issue internet driver’s licenses, especially if it’s going to allow complete strangers to coordinate without even communicating. Damn, the future is gonna be freaky.

    Serious comments to follow.

  2. Zac – I thought you did a really fine job on this piece. After your viking youth comment I shouldn’t be surprised you’re getting into podcasting :-p

    Anyway, I went back through my notes at the end to do a review and I realized a lot of the time I’m writing something like “humble get power?” “Zac says humble…” Whether this is because I have been taught as a rebellious teenager to think that strength is power or not that’s what it seems to be pointing to in an inverse way. After thinking about it, I think I equate being humble with being weak/meek, so much so that those are the words that are really hitting me in the face when you talk about being humble. I was wondering if you (and others) would define humble for me so that I can see a different take on that word and maybe give an example of someone being humble if it fits. The image that kept coming up to me is an old woman sitting around and taking shit so as to be humble.

  3. I can understand your frustration with the way “sigil” and “hypersigil” get bandied about. It’s really just a new way of focusing one’s intent, and it isn’t even that new. On the other hand, I’d say it seems more to me like “evocation” than “invocation”–for me “invoking” is taking on traits usually believed not-self, and the effects, while obvious and relatively immediate, tend to happen in a more passive manner. Sigilizing an intent in many ways feelsl like, and resolves in a manner, like forming a disposable entity. After all, by your terms, a “spirit” is a “bundle of intention”, which is a fairly clear-minded definition. If concentrating on a symbolic representation of an intent at the moment of orgasm or flagellation doesn’t create an obsessive little bundle of intent, I don’t know what will. I might suggest that this is a little like designer mental disorders. At the same time, I do like to take a hardline tantric Traditionalist stance and insist that only means for degenerate humans to accomplish their will is to hone it through ecstatic states generated by sex and pain. if only because the that’s about as extreme as you can get and I like extremes. Etc. etc. theoretical babbling.

    I would reply with video but I don’t feel like getting pretty for the webcam, but we can have our own heretical buddhist gnostic tv station soon enough.

  4. well the moment i allowed the word ‘invocation’ past my lips, i knew i was going to sow confusion, but i let it slide rather than backpedal.
    i’ve noticed that these terms get muddied about a bit, especially when you have the core cannon of magickal techniques.
    divination is pretty clear, but enchantment, invocation and evocation get rather hazy.
    i think it comes from medieval christianity where to ‘invoke’ the deity was synonomous with prayer. but with the jettisoning of church doctrine, the manifestation of intent was differentiated from the communion with god, while communion with entities besides god became acceptable as something other than diabolism.
    good fodder for next episode methinks, and a little clarification on humility as well.

  5. zac,

    First of all, the sound quality on this episode is great. Whatever you’re doing, keep it up.

    Second, I’m with Null on the invocation, though technically you’re correct in the usage of the term. “To invoke” commonly means “to call upon a higher power or diety for help,” so the usage of the term aligns perfectly with your comparison to prayer. I learned the term from the chaotes, so I’m biased towards their definition, which Null defined quite well. I also tend to make a sharp distinction between invocation and evocation, mostly because of the warnings of those chaotes about mixing them up leading to some fucked up consequences. I heed their advice, mostly because thats not really a situation I want to deal with first hand.

    Finally, I find myself disagreeing with you about “humble,” though I think my disagreement is more semantic than anything else. “Humble” is synonomous with meek, as well as humiliation and abasement. If i understood the context, I’m guessing thats not what you meant. I’m going to throw out an analagy cause I am blanking on what word I’m looking for…In the martial arts game, the guy who’s wearing the three inch wide belt with like 20 gold stripes and calls himself the Great and High 13 Ninjitsu Grandmaster Soke blah blah blah is not probably not the guy you want to be training under. Chances are, instead of actually learning anything, all you would do (and probably all he did as well) is feed that guy’s ego-compulsions. The guys who know their shit don’t need (or want) a thirteen word title. The training speaks for itself.

    Just some thoughts on the first listen, I’ll be back later…


  6. On humilitity, as I am home “sick” today:

    SAAK, your idea about the martial arts provides a useful analogy. In a lot of traditional arts like Tae Kwon Doo or Sun Young Moon there’s teachers who are very much “humble” or, more accurately, alright–then there’s the Chuck Norris badass factor. I’ve found that if you walk into a boxing gym or a judo club the chance of finding some guy who believes himself to be the next Bruce Lee is far lower–it’s about having a pragmatic experience and relationship with what you’ve learned, like a trade (which I need to get while there’s time): you end up appraising yourself honestly, but you calm the fuck down about your “power.” In Brazilian jiu-jitsu one of the mottos is “check your ego at the door”: if you don’t you’re going to leave with your knee torn out of socket.

    It’s kind of like that with will-working–while it does make you different and make you stand out, only rather than having your knee torn out of socket you’re going to be that loser with the black t-shirt listening to Laibach at the coffeeshop, wondering if you somehow lost the plot between delusions about grandiosity.

    There’s a line in the Bhagavad Gita, where after the apotheosis Arjuna remains reluctant to kill his opponents, many of whom are relatives, and Krishna tells him, “Strike, and only seem to slay. Know in me these men are already dead.” It’s not “humble” per se, but it does let Arjuna know that his “little-i”, the one who wants to get paid, get laid, and get even, is ultimately responsible for nothing.

  7. Null,

    Yea, you’re dead right. Its about knowing your goddamn limits. Its easy to believe (in your head) that you’re the fuck’n second coming or the ultimate badass hand-to-hand death machine, but when you actually have to step on the mat in free randori,or get results in the “real world,” its hard to hold on to those delusions. Reminds me of this guy I knew in high school. He once said to me,”Ya know man, I’m a really good fighter. I mean, I know all the moves and stuff. I mean, I’ve been playing Street Fighter for, like, 10 years, and I’m really good. You can’t be good at Street Fighter and not learn some good moves…” My mind just skipped the laughing my ass off and just went to utter shock that someone could actually believe this…and, yes, he was serious. Jesus. The mind can be a demented jailer. Reality, fortunately or not, can bring a harsh, harsh Freedom.

    And I have noticed that alot of people in the martial arts poh-pooh the sport arts like judo or boxing. “Aww, thats just a sport, its not a deadly dim mak style like mine.” Attempt to do some death touch pressure point bs with a sufficiently trained boxer and you’re getting alot of broken fingers. When your training includes dealing with the reality of a real world opponent, in a controlled environment or not, it just tends to be good training. As well as the fact that those sport styles include real physical conditioning. I don’t care how many traditional or mystical moves you know, if you can’t last 30 seconds or attack with sufficient force, you’re fucked.

    Anyway, we probably shouldn’t veer off into martial arts, kinda off topic (and I keep returning there…I know…I know…my bad). Just to sum up, I agree with you, its about knowing your limits (not being a delusional arrogant asshole), and then playing with those limits (magick).

    Peace out,


  8. Oh yea, I laughed my ass off at your second paragraph (please God, don’t let that be me!), and the Gita reference is excellent. I think thats exactly what zac was talking about.


  9. Pretty much, yeah, although i may expand on it a little in our next segment.

    And by all means carry on with the martial talk. i think more adepts should check in with some pragmatic real word physical will working. I hit the mats myself at least three times a week, without fail.

    it’s very easy to think you’re the shit when your only reality check is in your imagination.

  10. hey zac, i’ve been trying some prayers lately and i’m not really confident of their success. at least not compared to my success with sigils in the past.

    i’m thinking that maybe it’s because i’m not formulating a clear enough statement of intent, because when i pray i kind of ‘umm and ahh’ about what it is i actually want. but if i just state my statement of intent and leave it at that, it feels forced.

    any tips?

  11. it’s doesn’t really matter how you do it. if you feel more confident with the sigil based framework then go ahead and keep using it. the mechanism is essentially the same.

    the essential element is to formulate the intent and then release it, fully. the sigil method uses symbolic abstraction to distance the mind from the intent in a similar way to what you’d get by going through some kind of ritual to feel as if you’d contacted whatever power you’d been praying to.

    with enough practice and confidence you can learn to drop the cumbersome framework in any case, but there’s no particluar benefit to one cumbersome framework over another. a sense of humble detatchment enhances the efficacy of sigils and wordy prayers alike.

    eventually simply moving through life with a clear sense of what you want and generally detatched sense of flow will bring you most things you need without requiring either kind of ritual

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