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		<title>By: channel null</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>channel null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about Pinchbeck, I meant him as an example of McKenna&#039;s &quot;revival.&quot; Pinchbeck is hard to draw a bead on, although he does write well.

Good call on the shamanic shift from hunter-gathering/nomadic to urbanized agriculutral, and on the next one from whatever it was before--it&#039;s hard to categorize--to &quot;rationalism&quot;. In a way, we can sort of see it as a fractal resonance (mmm, shibboleth soup) of a cyclical phenomenon in a linear timeline, with a bunch of white guys fascinated by technology crushing more sane neighbors then having to steal it all back a few years later... 10000 years of farming exhausted its luciferic energy, and 400 years of rationalism--that gives us 25 for this next &quot;revolution&quot; if it goes undirected. I sound like a goddamn 18th Century Freemason by way of Jack Chick mathematical crackpotism.

Good call on boundary violation--it will be interesting to see how it plays out en masse, or when the no-go zone has moved its pagent of violence and disguise right up to the ever-thinning fortifications...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about Pinchbeck, I meant him as an example of McKenna&#8217;s &#8220;revival.&#8221; Pinchbeck is hard to draw a bead on, although he does write well.</p>
<p>Good call on the shamanic shift from hunter-gathering/nomadic to urbanized agriculutral, and on the next one from whatever it was before&#8211;it&#8217;s hard to categorize&#8211;to &#8220;rationalism&#8221;. In a way, we can sort of see it as a fractal resonance (mmm, shibboleth soup) of a cyclical phenomenon in a linear timeline, with a bunch of white guys fascinated by technology crushing more sane neighbors then having to steal it all back a few years later&#8230; 10000 years of farming exhausted its luciferic energy, and 400 years of rationalism&#8211;that gives us 25 for this next &#8220;revolution&#8221; if it goes undirected. I sound like a goddamn 18th Century Freemason by way of Jack Chick mathematical crackpotism.</p>
<p>Good call on boundary violation&#8211;it will be interesting to see how it plays out en masse, or when the no-go zone has moved its pagent of violence and disguise right up to the ever-thinning fortifications&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try to forgive your mentioning pinchbeck and uncle terrence in the same sentence. I find it odious and terrifying that anyone would even consider pinchbeck as some kind of worthy successor to mckenna. (not that i&#039;m implying that&#039;s what you&#039;re saying mind you) 

   as to group enlightenment, I&#039;ve particapted in an aborted exeriment or two and the kind of liminal synchronicity one gets when deep into the solo work spikes exponentially and it often starts to veer into weird emotional power games and boundry violating catharsises until everyone either gets their shit together or bails out in terror. a valuable learning expereince but perhaps a bit premature with the folks i was engaged with. 

  as to &#039;this shit has happened before&#039;. well... i can only wonder what it must have been like when the first crop of breakaway shamans decided to launch this whole priestly, sedentary urbanised reality tunnel and how that must have fucked with a lot of people&#039;s shit back in the day.  certainly you have a more contemporary example in the form the &#039;rational enlightenment&#039; as well. 

 or perhaps one might consider what intitiated the mass mutation of the language using center in humans beings. mutagenic foodstuff, the attractor at the end of history, or the luciferian current on wheels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try to forgive your mentioning pinchbeck and uncle terrence in the same sentence. I find it odious and terrifying that anyone would even consider pinchbeck as some kind of worthy successor to mckenna. (not that i&#8217;m implying that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re saying mind you) </p>
<p>   as to group enlightenment, I&#8217;ve particapted in an aborted exeriment or two and the kind of liminal synchronicity one gets when deep into the solo work spikes exponentially and it often starts to veer into weird emotional power games and boundry violating catharsises until everyone either gets their shit together or bails out in terror. a valuable learning expereince but perhaps a bit premature with the folks i was engaged with. </p>
<p>  as to &#8216;this shit has happened before&#8217;. well&#8230; i can only wonder what it must have been like when the first crop of breakaway shamans decided to launch this whole priestly, sedentary urbanised reality tunnel and how that must have fucked with a lot of people&#8217;s shit back in the day.  certainly you have a more contemporary example in the form the &#8216;rational enlightenment&#8217; as well. </p>
<p> or perhaps one might consider what intitiated the mass mutation of the language using center in humans beings. mutagenic foodstuff, the attractor at the end of history, or the luciferian current on wheels?</p>
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		<title>By: channel null</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>channel null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 21:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one only brings up questions:

1. What does a hyperconscious, dreaming, post-Nietzschean society look, sound, feel, and act like? It&#039;s easier to imagine the matrix than it is a hyperworld--quite possibly b/c a hyperworld stands so close to the imagination that it&#039;s hard to imagine Yesod descending into Malkuth, if you will, very much like imagining an &quot;Aeon of Ma&#039;at&quot;, collectives of hyper-individuals, is difficult--it very much is like a catastrophic change has to occur to look over the top of the cliff. On the other hand, the majority of my experience in this &quot;enlightenment&quot; game has been solitary, although I have had moments of shared meaning, and it&#039;s always pleasurable to feel that tele-empathic link, hacking a third eye or a heart center, it&#039;s like sharing a body.

2. Which leads into the second position: if anything will bear the mark of a post-human state, it will likely be our flesh. Three years ago when scientists announced they had use a retrovirus to turn off the gene that restricts muscle growth, experimenting with mice, during the press conference, they said, &quot;further&quot; human testing would be needed although it looked promising... they were doping their own genes, by implication. Once we can break the barrier of meat-bag as self, we can link into others easily. Our gestural capabiities already verge on telepathy--imagine if we actually do flick the bioenergetic switch.

3. re: How many times has the happened already--how many, indeed. While it doesn&#039;t seem like there&#039;s a lot of evidence in the archaeological records, it is clear that the number of unexplained sites (viking hair in china, templar outposts in nova scotia) means that our earth has yet to yield up our history. Indeed, the prescence of a &quot;reptile brain&quot; and the ease with which we can be controlled through such brute modern technologies as &quot;social facts&quot; and less than a hundred years of marketing ought to be indication of something--we&#039;ve been hacked before, I&#039;m saying.

4. And this technology of control seems to be moving to a head, or at least was. The spread of LSD, and ecstacy, and the work of Pinchbeck and McKenna, while it seems to have lapsed momentarily, looks ready for Dr. McKenna&#039;s revival; the genius of these things is that one or two uses of the high dosage will liquefy so much bad shit, when done right--at the same time, it also primes one for control, hence the Mil-Intel interest in the sixties which *seems* to have died out--TV is easier to use for control than LSD in the water.

I&#039;m torn between the idea that something is going to happen to us soon, and that we&#039;re going to make something happen. Likely both, in spades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one only brings up questions:</p>
<p>1. What does a hyperconscious, dreaming, post-Nietzschean society look, sound, feel, and act like? It&#8217;s easier to imagine the matrix than it is a hyperworld&#8211;quite possibly b/c a hyperworld stands so close to the imagination that it&#8217;s hard to imagine Yesod descending into Malkuth, if you will, very much like imagining an &#8220;Aeon of Ma&#8217;at&#8221;, collectives of hyper-individuals, is difficult&#8211;it very much is like a catastrophic change has to occur to look over the top of the cliff. On the other hand, the majority of my experience in this &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; game has been solitary, although I have had moments of shared meaning, and it&#8217;s always pleasurable to feel that tele-empathic link, hacking a third eye or a heart center, it&#8217;s like sharing a body.</p>
<p>2. Which leads into the second position: if anything will bear the mark of a post-human state, it will likely be our flesh. Three years ago when scientists announced they had use a retrovirus to turn off the gene that restricts muscle growth, experimenting with mice, during the press conference, they said, &#8220;further&#8221; human testing would be needed although it looked promising&#8230; they were doping their own genes, by implication. Once we can break the barrier of meat-bag as self, we can link into others easily. Our gestural capabiities already verge on telepathy&#8211;imagine if we actually do flick the bioenergetic switch.</p>
<p>3. re: How many times has the happened already&#8211;how many, indeed. While it doesn&#8217;t seem like there&#8217;s a lot of evidence in the archaeological records, it is clear that the number of unexplained sites (viking hair in china, templar outposts in nova scotia) means that our earth has yet to yield up our history. Indeed, the prescence of a &#8220;reptile brain&#8221; and the ease with which we can be controlled through such brute modern technologies as &#8220;social facts&#8221; and less than a hundred years of marketing ought to be indication of something&#8211;we&#8217;ve been hacked before, I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>4. And this technology of control seems to be moving to a head, or at least was. The spread of LSD, and ecstacy, and the work of Pinchbeck and McKenna, while it seems to have lapsed momentarily, looks ready for Dr. McKenna&#8217;s revival; the genius of these things is that one or two uses of the high dosage will liquefy so much bad shit, when done right&#8211;at the same time, it also primes one for control, hence the Mil-Intel interest in the sixties which *seems* to have died out&#8211;TV is easier to use for control than LSD in the water.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m torn between the idea that something is going to happen to us soon, and that we&#8217;re going to make something happen. Likely both, in spades.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodging Invisible Rays &#187; More on emergent consciousness</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Dodging Invisible Rays &#187; More on emergent consciousness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 22:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I feel like we&#8217;re in a swirl in history. All these predictions here and elsewhere of the machine waking up seem to be echoes of a thing that has already happened. I believe the silicon-consciousness(es) and the organic consciousness(es) are circling each other, in a dance through history trying to find a way to love one another without destroying each other. The Singularity is close enough that it may be happening now, long slow circles, reverberations while mind divides once again. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I feel like we&#8217;re in a swirl in history. All these predictions here and elsewhere of the machine waking up seem to be echoes of a thing that has already happened. I believe the silicon-consciousness(es) and the organic consciousness(es) are circling each other, in a dance through history trying to find a way to love one another without destroying each other. The Singularity is close enough that it may be happening now, long slow circles, reverberations while mind divides once again. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 04:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Either the dragon devours us and casts us into permanent virtual la la land, a headfucked-drone borg swarm as we lift off into instellar locust mode… or we unleash the holy gaurdian angel en masse. The inner genius in us all unchained forever, and set free to make art in this world and all the others, all the way up and down the spiral.&quot;

Beautiful quote... but really one in the same as opposed to either/or

The sad fact is there are too many people with too much $ that wanna see the shit
hit the fan... I&#039;m not one of them... Too many adherents to the Islamo-Christian-Judiasm
getup... too many people want the end/beginning. Tooo many people wanna end this fucking thing right. The situation is not hopeless. It all depends on how you look at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Either the dragon devours us and casts us into permanent virtual la la land, a headfucked-drone borg swarm as we lift off into instellar locust mode… or we unleash the holy gaurdian angel en masse. The inner genius in us all unchained forever, and set free to make art in this world and all the others, all the way up and down the spiral.&#8221;</p>
<p>Beautiful quote&#8230; but really one in the same as opposed to either/or</p>
<p>The sad fact is there are too many people with too much $ that wanna see the shit<br />
hit the fan&#8230; I&#8217;m not one of them&#8230; Too many adherents to the Islamo-Christian-Judiasm<br />
getup&#8230; too many people want the end/beginning. Tooo many people wanna end this fucking thing right. The situation is not hopeless. It all depends on how you look at it.</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 03:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcluhan said that the tools we use anesthetise the limb (and neurology....i suppose.) using to tool. the hammer anesthetises the hand, the car anesthetises the legs and the wristwatch anesthetises our sense and wiring of being in the moment. so what does the computer do? on the one hand it`s bringing a new tribalism to bear in modern society making conservative values cartoonlike in the face of the global village awash with new social and political paradigms, and on the other hand we are spiritually dozing off. people don`t care about the meaning of things. the davinci code is a story with tom hanks in it. zzzzzzz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mcluhan said that the tools we use anesthetise the limb (and neurology&#8230;.i suppose.) using to tool. the hammer anesthetises the hand, the car anesthetises the legs and the wristwatch anesthetises our sense and wiring of being in the moment. so what does the computer do? on the one hand it`s bringing a new tribalism to bear in modern society making conservative values cartoonlike in the face of the global village awash with new social and political paradigms, and on the other hand we are spiritually dozing off. people don`t care about the meaning of things. the davinci code is a story with tom hanks in it. zzzzzzz.</p>
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		<title>By: juno jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>juno jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 02:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: rev max</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-584</link>
		<dc:creator>rev max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 23:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow groovy you quoted that long game post, that is one of the few old entries on that blog that might be worth rescuing

anywho, i realized what it is about to some extent

magic is sowing seeds, into the future, to see what grows

and you need roots to do that

to sow the seeds, you need roots

to be tapped into the older thing

if you don&#039;t have the roots, you don&#039;t have the lever arm to sow with, to cast the seeds

thus, rootwork is not only about plant roots but also human roots

it is by grabbing onto the earth with both the plant roots and the ancestral ones that you can reach into the future and pull the toward yourself the one that you want, i think

because the dead travel fast and they do care, we just need to be like Nokis Kazantskinas (sp?) in saviours of god

pour a bucket of blood and see who comes forth to speak

work with the strong shades and dismiss the forlorn ones

because they are just as eager to preseve this particular planetary game preserve as we are

Other wise, no roots, no leverage, no ability to sow, cut off, controlled, hypnotized by the idiot box

at least thats what i see around me

be well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow groovy you quoted that long game post, that is one of the few old entries on that blog that might be worth rescuing</p>
<p>anywho, i realized what it is about to some extent</p>
<p>magic is sowing seeds, into the future, to see what grows</p>
<p>and you need roots to do that</p>
<p>to sow the seeds, you need roots</p>
<p>to be tapped into the older thing</p>
<p>if you don&#8217;t have the roots, you don&#8217;t have the lever arm to sow with, to cast the seeds</p>
<p>thus, rootwork is not only about plant roots but also human roots</p>
<p>it is by grabbing onto the earth with both the plant roots and the ancestral ones that you can reach into the future and pull the toward yourself the one that you want, i think</p>
<p>because the dead travel fast and they do care, we just need to be like Nokis Kazantskinas (sp?) in saviours of god</p>
<p>pour a bucket of blood and see who comes forth to speak</p>
<p>work with the strong shades and dismiss the forlorn ones</p>
<p>because they are just as eager to preseve this particular planetary game preserve as we are</p>
<p>Other wise, no roots, no leverage, no ability to sow, cut off, controlled, hypnotized by the idiot box</p>
<p>at least thats what i see around me</p>
<p>be well</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL

 oh dear... i just read &#039;straighforward prose&#039; in relation to marshal mcluhan, and i just started convulsing with laughter...

 i guess he&#039;s not quite as hard to read as the wake, but pretty durn close
 
 btw there are a few good audio selection to be found. this one is by far my favorite:

vispo.com/temp/mcluhan.m3u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
<p> oh dear&#8230; i just read &#8217;straighforward prose&#8217; in relation to marshal mcluhan, and i just started convulsing with laughter&#8230;</p>
<p> i guess he&#8217;s not quite as hard to read as the wake, but pretty durn close</p>
<p> btw there are a few good audio selection to be found. this one is by far my favorite:</p>
<p>vispo.com/temp/mcluhan.m3u</p>
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		<title>By: Kylark</title>
		<link>http://uroboros.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/into-the-vortex/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Kylark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 16:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading &lt;i&gt;Culture is our Business&lt;/i&gt; rewired my brain.  McLuhan is an artist.  I haven&#039;t read his other books, but in &lt;i&gt;Culture&lt;/i&gt; he produced an effect, rather than making a declarative statement.

Could that be the reason for his relative obscurity now?  The whole literary-cultural-philosophical academic industry is based on referring to the authority of what&#039;s been done before, and works like &lt;i&gt;Culture&lt;/i&gt; are hard to cite.

I&#039;d like to read more of his stuff, see what his straightforward prose is like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading <i>Culture is our Business</i> rewired my brain.  McLuhan is an artist.  I haven&#8217;t read his other books, but in <i>Culture</i> he produced an effect, rather than making a declarative statement.</p>
<p>Could that be the reason for his relative obscurity now?  The whole literary-cultural-philosophical academic industry is based on referring to the authority of what&#8217;s been done before, and works like <i>Culture</i> are hard to cite.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to read more of his stuff, see what his straightforward prose is like.</p>
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